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Ronald Weinland’s
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From a ‘Christian truth’
perspective it would have been helpful if the false teachings of Herbert W
Armstrong who founded ‘The
However, as these changes were
implemented there was ‘a price to pay’ – according to the church’s website they
currently have 42,000 members worldwide whereas back in 1993 they, according to
the brief history on their website, had a weekly attendance of 133,000 people.
So, where have all the ‘dissidents’ gone? It would appear that a whole plethora
of ‘Churches of God’ splinter groupings sprang up such as
I will later be making
favourable reference in this article to some factual observations made about
Ronald Weinland’s teachings/pronouncements by a member of the Living Church
of God – however by using these quotes I am certainly not endorsing the
doctrinal position of the Living Church of God, a grouping that for
instance rejects the Biblical Trinity [Their ‘Godhead’ is limited to The Father and The Son and
according to their website ‘The Holy Spirit is the very essence,
the mind, life and power of God. It is not a Being’] and teaches that baptism is necessary for
salvation [According to their website ‘After God calls us and brings us
to repentance, and we accept Christ as our personal Lord and Savior, the next
vital step to salvation is water baptism... When we repent, accept Jesus and are
baptized, God forgives us our sins’]. These
and other false teachings clearly place the Living Church of God in the
cult-category.
Just at this point I should
also state that all of these ‘Church of God’ groups that have their ‘genesis’
in the false teachings of Herbert W Armstrong have NO connection with the local
[Northern
Ireland based] Church of God denomination. Unfortunately, despite having no
connection to ‘Armstrongism’, the local
Returning now to the title of this
article, in early July 2008 I was contacted by a concerned Christian lady who
had been given a copy of a book called ‘The
Prophesied End-Time and 2008 – God's Final Witness’. This extra
copy of the book had been passed to her by a young Christian couple who had
started to read it but who had (rightly) become uneasy about some of the
content. I informed the inquirer that I was not familiar with either the book
or its author Ronald Weinland but I promised to do some ‘research’ and
get back to her. In a short time I phoned her back and recommended that both
she and the young couple either bin or burn their copies of the book. My
reasons for such a recommendation are based on the following information that I
uncovered during my ‘research’.
Mr Weinland’s website introduces
visitors to ‘The
‘Ronald Weinland, who is the pastor of God's Church on earth, has also been appointed by the God of Abraham to be His end-time prophet and one of the two end-time witnesses (and spokesman of both), preceding the return of Jesus Christ’.
In
another section ‘About Ronald Weinland’ we read the following –
‘Although
the Church of God has not been accustomed to having a prophet for nearly 1900
years, God made him a prophet in 1997. His first book, The Prophesied
End-Time (published in mid-2004), is the product of what God has given him
concerning prophetic end-time events that have already begun to be fulfilled,
events that are occurring exactly as he has written in the book. His latest
book, 2008—God’s Final Witness, pinpoints the timing of these end-time
events and adds additional information beyond what the first book covered’.
In the ‘faq’ section of the
website we read –
‘The
best way for you to equip yourself is to read and reread both books that Ronald
Weinland has written. In doing so you will reinforce the truth of your
conviction and build upon what you missed in any earlier reading. In addition,
all should download and read the two booklets Time Is Running Out and Time
Has Run Out, which were originally written to help those who were scattered
from the apostasy of the
From these
brief extracts we can see that Mr Weinland claims to be a ‘prophet’ of God,
indeed one of two end-time witnesses mentioned in Revelation 11:3 – Mr Weinland
in April 2008 also declared that his wife Laura is apparently the second of
these 2 witnesses – His words are quoted as being ‘now is
the time to publicly reveal the name of the second end-time witness. It is my
wife Laura. We are a family through whom God will be working to bring an end to
this age’.
The other
important point to note from these extracts is Mr Weinland’s assessment of the
late Herbert W Armstrong – he views him as having been ‘a
faithful apostle to God’s Church’ and later on the ‘faq’
section of his website where it deals with ‘baptism’
we read the following ‘Everyone seeking baptism
should read the article of Herbert W. Armstrong, God's last apostle in the
Church. The
I want to
deal now with these 2 aspects namely
1. Mr Weinland’s claim to be both a ‘prophet’ and an
‘end-time witness’
2. Mr Weinland’s endorsement of Herbert W Armstrong’s
teachings on ‘Baptism.
The reality is that the office of
‘prophet’ is neither needed nor occupied by anyone on earth today. The
Apostle Paul wrote ‘Now therefore ye are no more strangers
and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of
God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets,
Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building
fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also
are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit’. [Ephesians
2:19-22]
Here
we see the church compared to a building. Jesus Christ Himself is the chief
cornerstone. The apostles and the prophets make up the rest of the foundation. This
analogy helps us to see the foundational role of the apostles and prophets. When
building a building, the first thing that is laid is the foundation. Everything
else is then built upon that one foundation. Do we then go back after building
a couple of stories and lay the foundation again? No. It is only done once. The
foundation is laid once in the beginning and then never again.
As
regards Mr Weinland’s claims that he and his wife are the ‘two end-time
witnesses’ mentioned in Revelation 11:3 we shall shortly read that, if he were,
then he would be a most unreliable ‘witness’ [and also be a
false ‘prophet’] for God but before coming to that can we
possibly come to some understanding of this reference in Revelation 11:3 to “my
two witnesses”?
The
understanding of this portion of scripture embracing Revelation 11:1-14 will be
very much related to and coloured by a believer’s understanding of ‘end-times’.
With that in mind I personally found instruction from an article that is
located on http://lazarusunbound.com/bunk_twowitnesses.shtml
and written by Michael Bunker. Herewith are just a few helpful extracts
from it -
‘Our investigation
into the identity of the Two Witnesses of Revelation will start in the Old
Testament, where God had two particular faithful spiritual witnesses. We read about them in Zechariah the 4th
Chapter. In this chapter of the prophet
Zechariah, we find a Candlestick made all of gold, and on each side of this
Candlestick is an Olive Tree (Zech 4:2-3). The angel explains the mystery about
these two witnesses starting with a clear and plain statement: “Not by might, nor by power, but by my
spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.” (Zech 4:6)… Revelation the 11th
Chapter specifically refers back to this message in Zechariah…The question is
asked in Zechariah the 4th chapter, “What be these two
olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?” (Zech.
4:12b) Remember that the overall theme or
topic under consideration is the power and might of the Holy Spirit. In prophetic language, the “oil” is a type or
shadow of the Holy Spirit, and in this section of Zechariah, we are watching
the “distribution” of the Holy Spirit from the branches of the Olive Trees into
the golden Candlestick. Our minds must
be stayed on the Lord in this regard, as the scripture reminds us that it is
not might, nor will, nor power outside of the Lord’s precious Spirit that accomplishes
these tasks. The two Olive Trees empty
the oil “out of themselves”, by giving the Spirit
liberally unto the Candlestick which itself shows forth light. The Candlestick, in and of itself, can do
nothing. It is a vessel of honor,
crafted by a craftsman to provide light to the world. The Candlestick is not that light, but is a
vessel used to show forth that light…The mystery of the identity of the
Candlesticks is shown to us in the book of the Revelation: “…the seven candlesticks
which thou sawest are the seven churches” (Rev.
1:20b). So a “Candlestick” in prophetic literature is a CHURCH. The two anointed servants, the Olive Trees in
the book of Zechariah, are pouring out the SPIRIT of GOD unto the CHURCH. In the Bible, both Jesus Christ AND the
Comforter are shown to be pouring out the fullness of God’s anointing oil into
the remnant church…So we find that God continuously uses “representative”
language, to show beyond a doubt from scripture what it is He is referring to…The two witnesses we seek are BOTH the two
Olive Trees, AND the two Candlesticks.
They are simultaneously representative of a full and complete
A second
source of instruction for me personally on this question of “my two
witnesses” was in the book ‘More Than Conquerors’ written by the
well-known and well respected Bible commentator, William Hendriksen. He
shares his thoughts on ‘The Two Witnesses’ on pages 129 –132 and
herewith are some helpful extracts –
‘The true Church is now represented under the
symbolism of two witnesses. These witnesses symbolise the Church militant
bearing testimony through its ministers and missionaries throughout the present
dispensation…the Church as an organisation, functioning through its ministers
and missionaries will carry on this work…almost until the judgment day…the
period of affliction; the present gospel age…Every day they bear witness
throughout the entire dispensation. They preach repentance and for this reason
they are clothed in sackcloth…This gospel age is however going to come to an
end (cf Matthew 24:14). The Church, as a mighty missionary organisation
shall finish its testimony…when we read that the corpse of the Church is lying
on the broad avenues of the great city [Footnote:The term ‘great city’ always refers to Babylon and never to
the New and Holy Jerusalem] this simply means that in the midst of the world the Church is dead, it
no longer exists as an influential and powerful missionary institution [Cecil: What the world perceives today as ‘the
Church’ is of course dominated by Rome and characterised more and more by immoral/apostate groups like Anglicanism etc]…The world has a grand picnic: it
celebrates…Foolish world! Its joy is premature…The corpse suddenly begins to
stir…In connection with Christ;s second coming the Church is restored to life,
to honour, to power, to influence. For the world the hour of opportunity is
gone and gone forever. On the Day of Judgment when the world shall see the
Church restored to honour and glory, the world will become frozen with fear. The
Church – still under the symbolism of the two witnesses – now hears a voice,
“Come up hither”. Thereupon the Church ascends to heaven in a cloud of
glory “And their enemies beheld them”.
Now I
readily concede that good brothers and sisters in the Lord will have a
‘different take’ on the identity of “my two witnesses” but I personally
‘have time’ for the views expressed by both Michael Bunker and William
Hendriksen on this topic. One thing I would hope is that irrespective of our
differing views on ‘end times’ we would be united in rejecting the claims of
Ronald Weinland that he and his wife are “my two witnesses”.
Earlier I
wrote concerning Mr Weinland and these claims – ‘if
he were, then he would be a most unreliable ‘witness’ [and
also be a false ‘prophet’] for God’.
This now brings me to the ‘favourable reference… to some
factual observations made about Ronald Weinland’s teachings/pronouncements by a
member of the Living Church of God’ that I made mention of in the
early part of this article. Thanks to the research of this person we are
informed of how Ronald Weinland in a radio interview with James Whale told
listeners that catastrophic events including a nuclear detonation in the
Rather
than quote copiously from this research perhaps I could direct you to this link
http://www.cogwriter.com/cgpfk.htm
where [with great caution – please remember the author
of the article on the link, whilst he is accurately as far as I am aware
reporting events surrounding the false prophecies etc of Mr Weinland, he is
however doctrinally astray on other issues and he gives links in his article to
supposedly the correct interpretation of certain matters – but he is wrong and
I would not advise you to follow his links] you can
read of just how ‘false a prophet’ Mr Weinland truly is. To hopefully assist
you in this I would recommend scrolling down the article and reading the first
portion of the interview listed under ‘James Whale Interview April 10th, 2008’ and then
scrolling back up and reading ‘Ronald
Weinland's April 26, 2008 Sermon Claims No Destruction by June 8th, 2008’. I believe the contents of these two portions appear to be
sufficient proof that Mr Weinland truly is a ‘false prophet’.
Another helpful exposure of Mr Weinland as a ‘false prophet’
can also be found on
http://shadowsofwcg.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2008-04-29T12%3A51%3A00-04%3A00&max-results=7
Once more I would urge ‘doctrinal caution’ when reading the particular
post listed on this link-page under the heading of ‘Open Letter to Ronald
Weinland and the COG-PKG: Do that Right Thing’
Moving on I want now to consider Mr Weinland’s endorsement
of Herbert W Armstrong’s views/teachings on Baptism. On the ‘faq’
section of his website Mr Weinland wrote the following – ‘If you follow the steps outlined
below, you will have all that is needed, at this time, to properly equip
yourself for the coming of Jesus Christ’. So, according to Mr
Weinland being ready for ‘the coming of Jesus
Christ’ is a step-by-step programme. Let’s look at some of these
‘steps’.
Mr
Weinland writes – ‘The most important thing you must do is to repent
of your false beliefs and practices, your wrong ways of living, and to fully
turn to God in obedience to His ways of life. The first step is to keep the
Sabbath day holy… read about proper Sabbath Observance. This will direct you to
what you need to do if you are going to obey God's Sabbath day, observed from
Friday sunset to Saturday sunset… Finally, all must come to understand that
there is only one true baptism in life whereby one can be forgiven of all sins.
There is one true baptism into God's one true Church…Those who
want to be baptized and desire to be begotten of God's spirit must read and
follow the instruction given in the Baptism ‘faq’ section of the website…Everyone
seeking baptism should read the article of Herbert W. Armstrong, God's last
apostle in the Church…’
I looked
at the article by Herbert W Armstrong and ‘gleaned’ the following extracts from
it –
The popular
denominations have taught, "Just BELIEVE -- that's all there is to it;
believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and you are that instant saved!" That
teaching is false! And because of deception -- because the TRUE GOSPEL of Jesus
Christ has been all but blotted out…Man is mortal. Man has no immortality
inherent within himself. Christ Jesus, only, of all men who have lived, has
immortality…Only GOD has eternal life inherent in Himself -- only GOD has eternal life to give…through
Christ, God gives it to us…The BLOOD of Christ does not finally save any
man…wipes the slate clean of past sins -- it saves us merely from the DEATH
PENALTY…But we are SAVED -- that is, given immortal life -- by Christ's LIFE,
not by His death…To be saved, we must be born of God, who is a Spirit….To be
born of God, we must, first, now in this life, receive the impregnating LIFE --
the Holy Spirit -- from God…So, being, as we say, converted -- receiving the
Holy Spirit of God -- is merely the beginning!.. "What shall we do?"
they cried out to Peter and the disciples. "HOW SHALL WE BE SAVED?"
The answer came straight and direct! "REPENT"! shouted the inspired
Peter in great power, "AND BE BAPTIZED, EVERY ONE OF YOU IN THE NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST FOR THE REMISSION OF SINS, AND YE SHALL RECEIVE THE GIFT OF THE
HOLY SPIRIT"! (Acts
There are
many statements in this piece that could be biblically challenged but I will
confine my comments to the clear inference by Mr Armstrong that WATER BAPTISM IS A
REQUIRED ‘STEP’ ON THE WAY TO SALVATION!
Another
little booklet issued by the Worldwide Church of God during Mr Armstrong’s time
as ‘God’s Apostle’ is called ‘Why You Should Be Baptized’ and in it we read –
‘baptism is
a vital part of the process of salvation (p5)…Through receiving the Holy Spirit
after baptism and the laying on of hands, we are put into, become part
of the Church of God (p7)…Baptism is the beginning of the Christian life
(p9)…If you believe and are baptised you will receive the Holy Spirit
and become a member of the body of Christ’.
Mr
Armstrong is teaching and obviously Mr Weinalnd agrees that people who
‘believe’ but are still ‘unregenerate’ [“in the flesh” as the bible describes it – see John
3:6] can by being baptised do something that will “please God”
and that God as a result will regenerate that unregenerate person and make
them a member of the body of Christ, the Church of God. The Bible teaches quite
a different reality in Romans 8: 5-8 “For they that are after the flesh [unregenerate] do mind the
things of the flesh…For to be carnally minded [unregenerate] is
death…Because the carnal mind [unregenerate] is enmity against God; for it is
not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then, they that are in
the flesh [unregenerate]
CANNOT please God”.
The Lord
Jesus Christ identified baptism as being a work of “righteousness” as we
read in Matthew 3:15. Can unregenerate people contribute to what was
referred to in ‘Why You Should Be Baptised’ as a ‘process of salvation’ – not
according to Titus 3:5 where we read “Not by works of righteousness
which we have done but according to his mercy he saved us”.
In the
quote from Mr Armstrong’s article we read of how he debunked ‘belief’ as
being the sole conduit through which we receive God’s gracious salvation. Yet
the Lord Jesus Christ Himself said to the repentant thief who obviously had
belief in Christ’s ability to save him from God’s judgement “Today shalt
thou be with me in paradise” – no need or indeed no opportunity for him to
be baptised and yet his salvation was assured.
This
incident resonates very well with what the Lord had earlier said in John
5:24 “Verily, verily, I say unto you. He that heareth my word and BELIEVETH on
him that sent me HATH everlasting life and shall not come into condemnation but
IS PASSED from death unto life”.
The
Philippian jailer, having asked the question “What must I do to be saved?” was
told by Paul “Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved”
[Acts 16:30-31] and that wasn’t a ‘one-off’ arrangement for the jailer, it
also applied to any in his household who would likewise believe.
The Bible
makes it very clear that baptism is for those who have already believed, and so
have passed from death unto life [i.e. are ‘saved’] – it is not part of a
process that leads to ‘salvation’.
A number of
Bible verses are often quoted to make a case for baptism being necessary for
salvation and rather than me now writing about these perhaps I could direct
readers to the article on this link http://www.carm.org/questions/baptnec.htm
I should make clear that I do not necessarily agree with every point advanced
in this article but overall I do think it is helpful in the context of what we
are examining.
Currently
my friend Rob Zins of ‘A Christian Witness to Roman Catholicism’ is compiling a
booklet that will respond to various arguments advanced by apologists for the
Roman Catholic faith and one of the issues he examines relates to Rome’s
teachings on baptism. Herewith are a few extracts of what Rob has written that
should prove helpful in this context –
‘Baptism is
not necessary for salvation. Baptism is
the response brought about by conversion to Jesus Christ. It is the effect of salvation but not the
cause of salvation… Baptism has its place as a beautiful picture of identifying
with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ but is never given the
purpose of bringing about salvation in the Bible… We find that water baptism
occurs after the event of faith in each and every recorded salvation experience
in the Bible. The question is this. “Is Baptism necessary for salvation?” We argue that it is not. Baptism does not bring about salvation. Nor is it one of several conditions without
which there can be no salvation. Nor is
it the final step to effect salvation.
Salvation is by grace through faith alone… compelling is the testimony
of Acts 10 wherein the Holy Spirit falls upon all those who heard the message
of Peter. What was Peter’s message? “All
the prophets testify about Him that everyone who believes in him receives
forgiveness of sins through His name” (Acts 10: 43, NASB). While
Peter is still speaking, the Holy Spirit falls upon those listening and they
begin giving evidence by speaking in tongues.
Upon seeing this, Peter asks, “Can anyone keep these people from being
baptized with water?” “They have
received the Holy Spirit just as we have” (Acts 10:47 NASB)… We find Lydia’s heart opened by
the Lord and then baptized in Acts 16.
We find the Ethiopian eunuch baptized after having heard the good news
explained to him by Philip. We find the
apostle Paul baptized after coming to faith in the Lord. In no case does Baptism bring about salvation
and in no case is baptism necessary for salvation…. Baptism is not necessary for anyone’s salvation. It is the response of those who have already
been saved. It is not a condition of
eternal life. A refusal to be baptized
exposes an unbelieving heart but baptism adds nothing to the true heart of
faith. The apostle Paul refused to
confuse the preaching of the gospel with baptism while at Corinth. “For Christ
did not send me to baptize but to preach the gospel, and not with eloquent
wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power” (I Corinthians 1:17,
RSV)’
Clearly
Ronald Weinland is just one more name on the ever-growing list of ‘false
apostles’ that the Lord Jesus Christ gave advance warning of in Matthew
24:11.
Cecil
Andrews – ‘Take Heed’ Ministries – 22nd July 2008